I think one should have the freedom to write whatever he/she likes, as far as it pays due respect to others. And I don't think this has been breached in your column.
輕挑 is something I like about your writings and it is your style. I like it. Keep up the good work.
comics man: Do you think what Ms Chow's said/did is fully correct? I know Ms Chow was saying what Nike did may bring effect the society. Is Nike fully responsible for this? There are many people who upload porno for people to download, but why Ms Chow only being offensive to Nike only. This is the fault of the whole society( including parents, teachers, medias, etc...), not only Nike. I am not trying to protect Nike and put pity on him, but what Ms Chow is doing is too offensive. If someone talks about you on newspaper, do you think people who know you wanna talk with you anymore?
if Ms Chow is not talking about how Nike influence the society, what's the point of being offensive to Nike? Just because of anger? or just having fun to being offensive to someone else? What Ms Chow said is saying" To Nike, blah blah blah", to a specific person that exist in life,that's direct offensive to him.If she use different wordings, people won't misunderstand what she is saying and known by heart who is she talking about. Please be neutral.
I just don't understand one thing: why have people lost a minimum sense of humour? Why did you guys take that article so seriously? The context suggests that it should not deserve such an attention for the supporters of Nike. And even if it does, why should the supporters of Nike be so bullying in their attitude? Does it do any good to the situation? Does it harm Ms Chow? Come on, let's grow up. Give me a break! Let's enjoy the weekend. And for those Nike supporters, enjoy the AV. Don't spend time here arguing something that is not important with some unimportant people.
P.S. I don't mind being called anything. Do you think I am going to feel bad just because you call me some weird name? Dream on!
Why do you think we are Nike's supporters? Maybe others are, at least i am not. This is only a arguement against the case, not against the person:Ms Chow. She said something in her entry and she knows that someone gonna get angry after reading it. If she doesn't expect that to happen, she is hella childish. She made up a case for people to argue and to bring anger by being offensive to someone else. Ms Chow may think that what she did is justice and feel better herself, that's her selfishness. Different people have different definition of justice. But what Ms Chow does are injust. I don't know why the hell this lady being offensive and cyber bullying to another person in public/websites.Nike did something bad to Ms chow? huh? By saying " 希望意見沒有為你帶來太大不便,等待你的回覆。" , that's direct offensive to Nike as a person, not as a porno uploader. If what Nike did(uploading porno) is wrong,government will do their own jobs put a stop on it,but no thanks for Ms Chow to Cyber bullying him, that's doesn't help the situation. Andy, i think if you wanna keep things down, just let it be so that we can cool down a bit. We are just stabbing eachother and lever up more anger. This is what Ms Chow should deserve, just let people cyber bullying her back to lower down their anger.
By saying : "P.S. I don't mind being called anything. Do you think I am going to feel bad just because you call me some weird name? Dream on!" that's mean you do mind how people call you, just keep it cool
This is my last comment on this, as I have better things to do. I don't understand why the article has generated so many hostile responses, whether or not those were from the supporters of Nike. But I am sure Nike himself might not be so mindful of the article - it was supposed to be a casual essay and was meant to be fun after all. May I ask all to let this pass and focus on whatever that is more important in our lives?
於此事件後,本人對明報的權威性更加無容置疑。為社會討一點公度,何必須要講証據。而且此事件後本人更欣賞明報作為香港企業對員工的專重。鄧肇恒先生對周瑮小姐的支持,可見明報對員工的熱誠及維護,實為本港企業的榜樣。從鄧肇恒先生對周瑮小姐的支持文章中,本人更學會cyber bullying的意思。真的多得鄧先生對此詞解說,以後明報讀者也可對此類同事情多加留意。如日後有機會,本人懇請鄧先生再多加解說如在報紙上胡亂指責會否叫作 written media bullying。先於此道謝。
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那你對那件事有沒有回應呢?
我只問一次﹐希望你了解很多人是同情你的。
但同情歸同情﹐你的言論以日月報的副刊來說也未免太過輕挑。
你的Blog其實也不錯...還是風花說月好了。=)
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buddy, come to facebook la!
愚個人認為你的言論未算太過輕挑, 因為你們應該是professional的(寫文字),可輕挑,可嚴肅;我是市并,更絕的可以接受....
好野!開番!比心機堅持下去,我撐硬妳!!
I think one should have the freedom to write whatever he/she likes, as far as it pays due respect to others. And I don't think this has been breached in your column.
輕挑 is something I like about your writings and it is your style. I like it. Keep up the good work.
周小姐,妳終於肯面對群眾,請問nike事件是否覺得對妳是cyber bulling呢?
莫召奴, if u don't know how to spell "cyber bullying", then don't try to comment on someone else.
spongebob,
請原諒我的錯別字,因為手快快打了,見到錯了又改不了.我在這裡道歉.但就算英文不好,都容許別人comment吧,right?那我再重新問一次好了.
周小姐,
妳終於肯面對群眾,請問nike事件是否覺得對妳是cyber bullying呢?
莫
Ah 狗公Andy,
輕佻不等於寫野可以不負責任.特別係自稱及於"公信力第一"工作的傳媒工作者及於該傳媒發表言論! Understand? 狗公!!!!
一向批判傳統媒體做事方法問題多多的非傳統媒體代表,用盡傳統媒體的傳統方式,向同樣來自傳統媒體的一個小編輯逼供,很有趣噢!!
不是狗公
你狗公, 就狗公la
明報自稱”公信力第一”, 卻刊登一篇毫無理據及的文章, 事後卻以”數碼欺淩” 及其他曲線方法迴避, lock blog, 如果周小姐有真憑實據 prove 周小姐係明報寫的野,無人話到周小姐. 宜家周小姐只是9 up
重有”用盡傳統媒體的傳統方式”? what the hell u talking about? What 傳統媒體we use? Internet is not 傳統媒體. 用多的time search what is 傳統媒體.
Thank you
要說公義??有嗎?
其實那批所謂nike幫的人,還不是因往後再沒(好片?)看而動怒出手,窮追猛打的找到一個人出氣就滿口仁義,他們不會是天真到以為nike是就因一篇報導而消失吧!清醒一下吧!!要做如此正義的人,天天也不少不知所謂的新聞,不見你們有出來說一聲?
要說交待!周小姐亦己交代清楚,亦沒什麼你們所所說的逃避,要做的都做了,難道一世的妳出我就回和你們傻埋一份?
希望打那些留言的時侯,你們想一下吧,是為了替你們覺得可憐的nike出頭?還是想分一杯羹人云亦云?
You think people will forgive you??Don't let people see your fuckface on planet earth. Remember, you need to hide in your whole damn life
comics man:
Do you think what Ms Chow's said/did is fully correct? I know Ms Chow was saying what Nike did may bring effect the society. Is Nike fully responsible for this? There are many people who upload porno for people to download, but why Ms Chow only being offensive to Nike only. This is the fault of the whole society( including parents, teachers, medias, etc...), not only Nike.
I am not trying to protect Nike and put pity on him, but what Ms Chow is doing is too offensive. If someone talks about you on newspaper, do you think people who know you wanna talk with you anymore?
comics_man,
"要說交待!周小姐亦己交代清楚,亦沒什麼你們所所說的逃避,要做的都做了,難道一世的妳出我就回和你們傻埋一份?"
請問她交代了什麼呢? 言下之意好像有點輸打贏要的味道,周小姐當日一句"希望報道沒有為你帶來太大不便,等待你的回覆。"像已立下挑戰狀般叫人回應,現在轉個頭就"難道一世的妳出我就回和你們傻埋一份"????果然君子劍也.
p.s. 君子劍乃明報始創人查良庸先生筆下之人,最諷刺卻是君子劍就在查先生一手建立的報紙內.
輕佻的態度,膚淺的見解,差劣的文筆,還要製造什麼數碼欺凌的爭端,枉為傳謀人,有否想過辭職?
Is Nike fully responsible for this?
請舉出周小姐文章內那一句有下過這一個判斷?
另外,有人說該文章的邏輯出了問題,我在這舉個例子吧:
有人因吃了花生而肚痛,
但不.等.於.吃花生就會肚痛。
況且,我看過周小姐的文章,她內文裏亦沒有一句提及:那些青年就是因為看了av而犯案。
不過,所謂「作者已死」的說法也是正確的,任何人可以用他們的理解力去解讀文章,只是周小姐在寫專欄時,是個筆者角色,似乎與什麼新聞操守,公信第一無關,畢竟這不是新聞報道。
若是真的想討論,何必在別人的地方,罵人家的留言者是「狗公」?
coty
周小姐
不認識你的人,只是說你個樣生得差,
認識你的人,懂得你個人人格更差。
留言,開與關也堵不過悠悠眾口,
開了可以直接屌你,關了也不等於屌唔到你。
只是網上屌你的人已經太多,你無暇應付。
Anyway, 容我屌多你一野, Thank you.
希望意見沒有為你帶來太大不便,等待你的回覆。
if Ms Chow is not talking about how Nike influence the society, what's the point of being offensive to Nike? Just because of anger? or just having fun to being offensive to someone else?
What Ms Chow said is saying" To Nike, blah blah blah", to a specific person that exist in life,that's direct offensive to him.If she use different wordings, people won't misunderstand what she is saying and known by heart who is she talking about. Please be neutral.
this sentence is the one that makes me angry about Ms Chow: 希望意見沒有為你帶來太大不便,等待你的回覆. Please be polite next time
周小姐一句"希望意見沒有為你帶來太大不便,等待你的回覆"
意氣風發直迫....
盧婆婆:"我要董健華個老虎頭!"
先假定人犯錯,無回應就話係唔應錯,這不是傳統媒體的技倆又是什麼?
(typo)先假定人犯了錯,無回應就話係唔認錯,這不是傳統媒體的技倆又是什麼?
自事件發生後得知周小姐妳的網誌, 本想給妳留言, 但當時妳已將網誌關閉, 慶幸現在有機會可以說一點意見。
我想說的於妳而言可能不中聽, 然而, 希望妳(尤其作為一個傳媒工作者)可以花點時間聽聽我的廢話, 再想一想。
不知道妳執筆寫那篇文章時是懷著怎樣的心情和動機, 但無論如何, 客觀事實卻擺在眼前: 若果只有最初的那一篇報導, 可能只有一個人受影響; 但其後妳的文章再火上加油, 卻使兩個人要暫時從虛擬世界中屬於自己的地方「消失」。這樣的結果, 是否當初妳願看見的?
損人不利己還不是最差, 損人損己才是最愚昧。
關於妳寫的那篇文章, 看倌們心中自有評斷, 不再多贅, 反而想談談在妳之前的最初那篇報導。現今主流媒體從互聯網找新聞材料已不是新鮮事, 但比起有人在網上發放AV, 是否應該有其他在網絡上發生的事情更值得關注? 日本的色情影片在香港是否有版權我不太清楚, 但肯定的是有更多侵權的電影、唱片和軟件每天在網絡上發佈為什麼不去報導? 每一天在digg或其他news site更有新聞價值的題材多如繁星, 足夠寫一星期也欲罷不能, 卻為何偏偏要選這一則? 因為這便是我們的傳媒工作者的視野, 他們的目光便只會聚焦在此等事情上, 只會發掘嘩眾取寵的題材來吸引讀者的視線; 被譽為(或自詡為)「公信力第一」的報章尚且如此, 其他的更不消說, 這就是現今香港的傳媒生態。近年當談論到香港的競爭力時, 經常會拿香港人跟內地同胞作比較, 除了英語水平, 我最常聽到之說是比起內地同胞, 香港人較優勝之處是更具國際視野, 這一點我實在不能苟同, 至少我從香港的傳媒身上看不到。
明報雖不像部分華文報章每天大灑鹽花, 但當遇上如中大學生報事件時卻也像其他假道學一樣扮演道德判官去打壓弱者(5月8日的社評), 盲光社等道德塔利班雖可憎, 但立場貫徹始終; 再看看明報, 隨著輿論開始轉向, 而當連自己也被「擺上檯」, 數日間立場就像變形金剛一樣說變就變(5月12日及5月18日的社評), 這便是所謂「中肯」、「客觀」。還有誤導讀者的失實報導, 這便是所謂「公信力」。
偽善還不是最醜惡, 搖風擺柳作牆頭草才最可恥, 喪失了報格、立場還可號稱「公信第一」更是貽笑大方。
有不少人批評現今香港傳媒反智, 甚或墮落, 可是我們的傳媒工作者從來有否認真反思過? 不過, 也不能全都怪他們, 想起龍應台在《想一想香港》中的一句:「你能怪政府嗎? 連小學生都知道, 有什麼樣的人民, 就有什麼樣的政府」, 作為受眾, 我們更應該問自己: 我們到底想傳媒給我們什麼資訊? 究竟我們想要什麼樣的傳媒? 雙方面不再自我檢討, 只會繼續沉淪。
本還想再講講關於數碼欺凌(Cyber-bullying), 但似乎已說得太多, 暫此擱筆, 有機會再談。
祝生活愉快!
我終於明白了。
各位男士/女士,可否不xxxxx字呢?莫說討論這件事....如果你xxxxx是自己你朋友娘/姊/妹,你有何感受?雖然我可以說理你side氣....
dbdb,
唔明你講乜
哎呀,乜周大小姐終於開番個blog呢咩.係諗通左定係點呢?定係見到咁多護花使者出黎幫你護駕,諗住繼續好官我自為之呢?
你就好啦,響左朵,又有得升職加薪啦.就算無職升無薪加都唔緊要,一大班傳媒朋友幫你護航,大家繼續黎個岳不群式華山論劍咁咪幾好囉.
說老實
我明白你地為的是替nike出一口氣
但這樣的言論未免太過火了吧
又粗口又人身攻擊
這種行為也太小朋友吧
那一篇文章,
有沒有令nike感到難堪?
有沒有令nike的日常生活帶來不便?
相信沒有吧
至少他的真正身份沒有被公開
他會就此退出江湖嗎?
不會吧
就他那無私分享的精神
辭退了版主職位
也會以普通網民的身份分享影片
就算沒有了nike這個名字
也會以其他名字代替
始終那也是網路上的一個nickname而已
nike"復出"
證明他根本沒避諱甚麼
現在回想起
當初有份兒把小事化大的網友
好玩嗎?
當初有份兒把小事化大的網友
好玩嗎? ->周小姐??
I just don't understand one thing: why have people lost a minimum sense of humour? Why did you guys take that article so seriously? The context suggests that it should not deserve such an attention for the supporters of Nike. And even if it does, why should the supporters of Nike be so bullying in their attitude? Does it do any good to the situation? Does it harm Ms Chow? Come on, let's grow up. Give me a break! Let's enjoy the weekend. And for those Nike supporters, enjoy the AV. Don't spend time here arguing something that is not important with some unimportant people.
P.S. I don't mind being called anything. Do you think I am going to feel bad just because you call me some weird name? Dream on!
To 狗公 andy
nothing special, I don't except u will feel bad or not , a feeling just come up and make me want to 屌你老母!!!!
希望意見沒有為你老母帶來太大不便,等待你老母的回覆。
誰是狗公 and 狗主
you 2 are right, I think u 2 are the same person. but anyway, 周小姐先假定看av 片同風化案有關, 無回應就話係事實, 這是傳統媒體的技倆. u 2 are exactly right
again
To Andy
Why do you think we are Nike's supporters? Maybe others are, at least i am not. This is only a arguement against the case, not against the person:Ms Chow. She said something in her entry and she knows that someone gonna get angry after reading it. If she doesn't expect that to happen, she is hella childish. She made up a case for people to argue and to bring anger by being offensive to someone else. Ms Chow may think that what she did is justice and feel better herself, that's her selfishness. Different people have different definition of justice. But what Ms Chow does are injust. I don't know why the hell this lady being offensive and cyber bullying to another person in public/websites.Nike did something bad to Ms chow? huh? By saying " 希望意見沒有為你帶來太大不便,等待你的回覆。" , that's direct offensive to Nike as a person, not as a porno uploader. If what Nike did(uploading porno) is wrong,government will do their own jobs put a stop on it,but no thanks for Ms Chow to Cyber bullying him, that's doesn't help the situation.
Andy, i think if you wanna keep things down, just let it be so that we can cool down a bit. We are just stabbing eachother and lever up more anger. This is what Ms Chow should deserve, just let people cyber bullying her back to lower down their anger.
By saying : "P.S. I don't mind being called anything. Do you think I am going to feel bad just because you call me some weird name? Dream on!" that's mean you do mind how people call you, just keep it cool
peace
TO 屌你老母
天下間有邊會有人自認係狗公?點會有人畀人話完係狗公之後,會責怪人哋HURT到自己??
不過,閣下有膽自稱屌你老母,我真係佩服到暈,人人叫親你都屌你老母一鑊,淨係講狠都好難有人及得上
係你專欄為自己粗疏的推論作出道歉吧
我估不少人會接受,包括我
我一定不會接受你道歉
我不會接受一個人抵不住一班無賴壓迫,然後掩住良心道歉
如果你咁做,同條鹹魚又有乜嘢分別?
TO的士司機
有甚麼樣的網民,就有甚麼樣的網絡,和一班廢柴係度嘰GUT乜嘢叫做網絡自由
撐你,也撐天理,你沒做錯
瑮瑮你好靚女ar~
你地班人唔好再鬧我的瑮瑮
係屌都未輪到你地!
能讀到你的文章了. 感謝.
你生命中能有這樣的回憶, 已比我精彩多了. 我不同情你, 要envy你才是.
This is my last comment on this, as I have better things to do. I don't understand why the article has generated so many hostile responses, whether or not those were from the supporters of Nike. But I am sure Nike himself might not be so mindful of the article - it was supposed to be a casual essay and was meant to be fun after all. May I ask all to let this pass and focus on whatever that is more important in our lives?
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Just want to let you know, you have my full support which is more than words......
Not sure you can recognize me or not and I'm surprised and more than happy to find your blog here..
anyway miss you and please take care.
撐硬屌你老母
撐硬屌你老母
撐硬屌你老母
撐硬屌你老母
撐硬屌你老母
撐硬屌你老母
周瑮編輯小姐,我絕對支持你。以你作為明報編輯的身份,所說的必定是金規玉律。明報於香港傳媒介的權威地位,怎會容許其編輯在完全沒有理據下發表言論。周小姐必定已對事件作出深入調查,因而得出結論。
如「大契」所說「呢道唔係法庭,唔須要証據」,明報編輯所寫的,何須証據。該報是香港權威的傳媒,是不可能有錯的。
於此事件後,本人對明報的權威性更加無容置疑。為社會討一點公度,何必須要講証據。而且此事件後本人更欣賞明報作為香港企業對員工的專重。鄧肇恒先生對周瑮小姐的支持,可見明報對員工的熱誠及維護,實為本港企業的榜樣。從鄧肇恒先生對周瑮小姐的支持文章中,本人更學會cyber bullying的意思。真的多得鄧先生對此詞解說,以後明報讀者也可對此類同事情多加留意。如日後有機會,本人懇請鄧先生再多加解說如在報紙上胡亂指責會否叫作 written media bullying。先於此道謝。
本人認為早前周小姐迴避而不作回應其實是理智的行為。此等網民及讀者是憑什麼指責明報所出版的內容。明報所刊登的就是道理。以周小姐專業操守,於文章上所得的結論必定是合乎事實。只要除去「AV之神」,以後社會上所有風化泛濫情況必然絕跡。以後香港的小男生也可以回復童真,回去扮演鹹蛋超人,扮演軍曹。甚至日本亦會受惠於周小姐的文章。本人覺得日本政府亦應至函表謝,作為對周小姐的一點表揚。
本人對事情發展至今有點小小的意見。只要周小姐走出來說一句「我冇錯」,本人認為必定可以平息所有輿論。只要周小姐說一聲「我冇錯」,以周小姐的權威,還有誰會多講一句。
抱歉,此文不設回覆。
撐你,也撐屌你老母,屌你老母沒錯
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佢係將依家D細路所做既衰野推左係nike身上
認為佢發佈a片=令更多路學壞
一個有頭腦既人
都諗到呢D係有好多因素
將一件事推去一個人身上
係唔係唔係甘好呢
希望周小姐唔好再寫呢D野
to 周小姐,
閣下曾接受高等教育,說話要負責任、禍從口出的道理,沒有理由不知。
個人認為,閣下當日的一篇署名文章,攻擊別nike在先,而且又有可能導致nike遭遇不必要的起訴的危機。當然,你看不過眼,絕對有直播向有關部門投訴的自由。
之不過,閣下因工作之便,利用傳統媒體的力量攻擊別人,請問這不是「傳媒欺凌」又是什麼?
弊在,互聯網上向人開火,別人尚有還擊的機會。請問,明報有給予nike或nike支持者一個回應閣下文章的版位嗎?
幸而,香港也不是只得明報一份報紙,讓不平者,例如Erica也可以從蘋果日報的論壇版,發文回應閣下的文章。
但其餘的人,其意見沒有辦法在報章上刊登,最終當然走上互聯網這個最自由的平台,紛紛回應閣下那篇署名文章。
所以說,妳這是欺負人在先,別人還擊在後。換句話說,妳這是活該,怪只怪妳自己當日寫文時的輕率、無知。
很高興你終於開番個blog,以為所有事都平息了,但估不到許多人的憤怒仍未消除。
不知道你對於帶有侮辱留言的感覺,我想,一定很難受,我看了,也替你不開心,因為我從來都不相信要鬧人必須要侮辱人才會贏。
唉!還是不要多說,免得再挑起爭端。
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周瑮小姐,
我是從孫柏文先生的blog內連結引路下,才走進你的地方.
說真的,如不是七月尾那件事件,我也不認識你是誰.當時在好奇心驅使下,曾試圖探訪這處,可是不得要領.
今日驚覺這裡重開,也見到留言非常踴躍,也湊熱鬧留下數句廢話.
當日你將blog關閉,就如1987年10月股災時,前香港聯合交易所主席李福兆下令停市四天一樣,重開時一樣”咁大鑊”,所以留言版內粗口橫飛,你又在在網路間熱炒地來.
雖然這處是私人地方,閒人免進,你絕對有權這樣做.但如果你能若無其事,讓網民留言發洩一番,相信大家很快便忘記這件事,畢竟網上話題天天新穎,網民都是善忘的.
你未免有點進退失據了.
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